Are You A Member Of The School Of Quietude?

I went searching for the earliest reference to the phrase “School of Quietude” on Ron Silliman’s blog. Silliman is, of course, the person who coined the phrase.

Interestingly, Silliman started his blog on August 29, 2002. The first mention of the School of Quietude was on September 2, 2002, but only as a label, or a tag, and not within the blog post itself. This makes me think that maybe he went back later and added that label to that post after having written other posts about the SofQ.

Silliman has been criticized for his delineations between the School of Quietude and Post-Avant poets. Criticisms have largely centered around these distinctions being too simplistic and that the pejorative only describes poetry as it existed some time ago (in the past). These are words Silliman himself articulated in his September 2, 2007 post, characterizations that he says his critics are correct on. So he has adopted another path, which he calls the “third way.” I’m not sure what that is.

Essentially, Silliman’s descriptions are divided by the level of experimentation that exists in one’s poetry. It is obvious that the SofQ poets are descendant of Henry David Thoreau. Everyone else, Walt Whitman. But that’s a rather odd distinction seeing as how Thoreau was a contemporary of Edgar Allan Poe, from whom Silliman borrows his quietude phrase. Brian Campbell succinctly states my thoughts on that with these words:

Yet if we look at Poe in comparison with Whitman (the real post-avant prototype), he definitely comes across as British-accented, narrow, conservative, even like — curse the thought — a Sylvia Plath or Ted Hughes. I think by Silliman’s definition, Poe would be a hard-core SoQ’er. He definitely doesn’t seem very post-avant to me.

It seems to me that the SofQ and Post Avant poetics breakdown is an arbitrary political (not poetic) distinction. It fits in conveniently with Silliman’s collectivist thinking as he can lump anyone with an individualist politic or poetic into the SofQ category. That would be me, a libertarian politically and an individualist in every way, characteristics which would put me in the same category as Walt Whitman, the consummate individualist poet who self-published his own work. Admittedly, I have no use for Thoreau (and he deserves the moniker “quietist” as much as anyone), but Poe was my very first literary influence and to this day still is an idol of mine.

So who would fit into the School of Quietude today? I suppose virtually anyone who is an establishment-type poet, a darling of the NEA, an MFA grad with a small press badge of honor, or anyone who isn’t taking great risks with language and form. That’s almost everyone who writes poetry, but it isn’t the Language Poets, which would include Silliman and his friends, and it isn’t anyone who belongs to any of the other obscure schools of poetry that won’t get noticed by the first type of poet who is centered on the connectedness of the academy.

But what about the modern heirs of Poe? Well, there aren’t any really. At least, not in poetry. They’re all writing detective mysteries and science fiction novels. But not poetry.

Poetics is less about distinctions that divide and more about nuances that define. I see these distinctions as somewhat helpful, but only if they can be drawn upon to make definitions as to what is important and what is not. Is nature poetry, for instance, bad? Well, some of it is actually. But some of it is quite good. How do we know which is which? We can know, but we will never get to the bottom of it if we splinter poets off into groups – OK, you guys over there, no, no, further to the right; now you langpos, to the left; everyone else, in the middle. Sorry, that’s an un-nuanced way of leading us to the dance floor.

What would be helpful is a discussion on method. Not just some rigid set of rules such that you might find among the New Formalists. And not some vague generalizations that you might find in an experimental journal. But I mean a real discussion on method, technique, poetic renditions.

Discussions of poetics quite often descend into nothing but bland diatribes against someone else’s poetic philosophy or amusement for the sake of amusement. But a true discussion of poetics would help everyone get a better grasp of what is possible, permissible, and praiseworthy. Disagreement is good, but vague distinctions that serve no purpose other than to categorize those we don’t like isn’t helpful. And whatever emerges from the armpit of the fire can take the helm into the 21st century. If it be quietitude1 then let the silence reign.

1 Quiet + Attitude, not quietude.

11 Responses to Are You A Member Of The School Of Quietude?
  1. Andinet
    June 23, 2008 | 8:22 am

    I like your reviews of poetry and things like this article has to offer—-please also write and post your poetry here…so that you will not end up a poet becoming just a critic —that I think is a fatal death….keep the dance and say enough for the hang ups.

  2. the poet
    June 23, 2008 | 10:30 am

    Thanks, Andinet, for that vote of confidence.

  3. Daniel
    June 23, 2008 | 10:31 am

    Well said. Silliman is the Joseph McCarthy of poets for all his supposed liberal-mindedness, using ‘School of Q’ in the same pejorative way people have used Commie or Hippie, or other far worse empty terms.

  4. Jeannine Hall Gailey
    June 23, 2008 | 1:24 pm

    There is a whole “speculative” poetry line, which may be related to Poe…There’s even a Magazine of Speculative Poetry! And The Year’s Best Fantasy & Horror anthology usually includes some poetry among the fiction…

    I’ve made an argument that the younger generation of poets today no longer agree to stay in fixed categories – they may write a “new narrative” poem one day, a formalist poem the next, and then some visual poetry. There’s more of a playful element to the language used by younger poets, even in the elegies, that makes it harder to pin down exactly what they’re doing. I’m all for that kind of cross-pollination, which can only make the poetry world richer…

  5. Kirby Olson
    June 23, 2008 | 1:59 pm

    I think Ron’s terminology generates a lot of smoke and heat, and some illumination, if not much.

    It would be nice if he could generate a kind of questionnaire to determine what camp you fall into. In fact, I think I will suggest that in his comments box!

    I didn’t know about the third way that he mentions.

    He’s so vague it’s hilarious.

    But at least RS’s trying to draw lines, and I really enjoy that.

  6. the poet
    June 23, 2008 | 5:09 pm

    @ Daniel, I left a comment on your blog about the McCarthy reference. I see that it is now live.

    @ Jeannine, nice to see someone of your clout on my humble blog. Thanks for dropping in. Be sure to read my next blog post, which will be live any minute now. It touches on that very topic.

    @ Kirby, I think being nailed down would defeat his purpose. I think the lines draw themselves, for the most part. But as Jeannine said, younger poets (myself included) tend to write in different forms and use various devices, sometimes within the same poem. It will be difficult, I think, for anyone to put me in a category. I’d prefer to create my own category, which I will someday defy.

  7. Arthur Durkee
    June 23, 2008 | 10:00 pm

    I’ve argued for a none of the above, third stream of poetry a few times before. Once, Ron came over to my blog and basically folded all the poets I thought might constitute a third stream back into his SoQ distinction. Needless to say, I don’t buy it.

    One of the biggest problems with these kinds of conceptualizations are that they are binary polarities, and try to fold everything into an Us vs. Them dichotomy. I think that’s ridiculous, not to mention rather impossible in the face of all the varieties and streams of poetry that now exist.

  8. Jilly
    June 24, 2008 | 10:23 pm

    I don’t understand the benefit of creating taxonomies of poets/poems?

    Can someone enlighten me, because I am missing something.

  9. the poet
    June 26, 2008 | 10:19 pm

    Jilly, I think you’ll have to ask Ron Silliman that question. I’d much more prefer to simply discuss technique and devices.

  10. Gary B. Fitzgerald
    June 30, 2008 | 8:07 pm

    Jilly:

    You are, of course, missing nothing. You have hit the nail on the head!

    This arbitrary and (solely) subjective classification is (to quote my own post on Mr. Silliman’s blog) no more than:

    “Balderdash,
    Poppycock,
    (and)
    horsefeathers.”

  11. eggtooth
    September 24, 2008 | 11:27 pm

    taxonomy,huh? hmmmm.Us vs Them?
    seems the very existence of “all the varieties and streams”
    has crossed/blurred so that nothing is relative.it categorizes/individuates ironically, itself in this mass.. the act of denying a category is a manner of categorizing… the suggestion of a distinct contrast, the idea of it,is a thing that exists unto itself,as a concept. it stands in opposition to something that cannot be opposed. it’s what would actually seem a logical reaction. (Only One Thing Can Rule,is the absolute version) you cant ACTUALLY do it,tho.it would seem like well, being too divisive. it cant be done directly, or ever claimed.it can be written about,but is that real? dammit.this whole reality/internet communication culture has me screwed up.

    eggtooths last blog post..SUNDAY: Skipsskipsskips (the past)

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