Comments on: Are You A Member Of The School Of Quietude?

By: Loudmouth School of Quietude « PoetCore

Loudmouth School of Quietude « PoetCore — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:46:02 +0000

[...] Here’s another good discussion on the subject by Allen Taylor. [...]

By: eggtooth

eggtooth — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:27:20 +0000

taxonomy,huh? hmmmm.Us vs Them?
seems the very existence of “all the varieties and streams”
has crossed/blurred so that nothing is relative.it categorizes/individuates ironically, itself in this mass.. the act of denying a category is a manner of categorizing… the suggestion of a distinct contrast, the idea of it,is a thing that exists unto itself,as a concept. it stands in opposition to something that cannot be opposed. it’s what would actually seem a logical reaction. (Only One Thing Can Rule,is the absolute version) you cant ACTUALLY do it,tho.it would seem like well, being too divisive. it cant be done directly, or ever claimed.it can be written about,but is that real? dammit.this whole reality/internet communication culture has me screwed up.

eggtooths last blog post..SUNDAY: Skipsskipsskips (the past)

By: Gary B. Fitzgerald

Gary B. Fitzgerald — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:07:00 +0000

Jilly:

You are, of course, missing nothing. You have hit the nail on the head!

This arbitrary and (solely) subjective classification is (to quote my own post on Mr. Silliman’s blog) no more than:

“Balderdash,
Poppycock,
(and)
horsefeathers.”

By: the poet

the poet — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:19:01 +0000

Jilly, I think you’ll have to ask Ron Silliman that question. I’d much more prefer to simply discuss technique and devices.

By: Jilly

Jilly — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:23:07 +0000

I don’t understand the benefit of creating taxonomies of poets/poems?

Can someone enlighten me, because I am missing something.

By: Arthur Durkee

Arthur Durkee — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:00:47 +0000

I’ve argued for a none of the above, third stream of poetry a few times before. Once, Ron came over to my blog and basically folded all the poets I thought might constitute a third stream back into his SoQ distinction. Needless to say, I don’t buy it.

One of the biggest problems with these kinds of conceptualizations are that they are binary polarities, and try to fold everything into an Us vs. Them dichotomy. I think that’s ridiculous, not to mention rather impossible in the face of all the varieties and streams of poetry that now exist.

By: the poet

the poet — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:09:01 +0000

@ Daniel, I left a comment on your blog about the McCarthy reference. I see that it is now live.

@ Jeannine, nice to see someone of your clout on my humble blog. Thanks for dropping in. Be sure to read my next blog post, which will be live any minute now. It touches on that very topic.

@ Kirby, I think being nailed down would defeat his purpose. I think the lines draw themselves, for the most part. But as Jeannine said, younger poets (myself included) tend to write in different forms and use various devices, sometimes within the same poem. It will be difficult, I think, for anyone to put me in a category. I’d prefer to create my own category, which I will someday defy.

By: Kirby Olson

Kirby Olson — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:59:10 +0000

I think Ron’s terminology generates a lot of smoke and heat, and some illumination, if not much.

It would be nice if he could generate a kind of questionnaire to determine what camp you fall into. In fact, I think I will suggest that in his comments box!

I didn’t know about the third way that he mentions.

He’s so vague it’s hilarious.

But at least RS’s trying to draw lines, and I really enjoy that.

By: Jeannine Hall Gailey

Jeannine Hall Gailey — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:24:35 +0000

There is a whole “speculative” poetry line, which may be related to Poe…There’s even a Magazine of Speculative Poetry! And The Year’s Best Fantasy & Horror anthology usually includes some poetry among the fiction…

I’ve made an argument that the younger generation of poets today no longer agree to stay in fixed categories – they may write a “new narrative” poem one day, a formalist poem the next, and then some visual poetry. There’s more of a playful element to the language used by younger poets, even in the elegies, that makes it harder to pin down exactly what they’re doing. I’m all for that kind of cross-pollination, which can only make the poetry world richer…

By: Daniel

Daniel — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:31:37 +0000

Well said. Silliman is the Joseph McCarthy of poets for all his supposed liberal-mindedness, using ‘School of Q’ in the same pejorative way people have used Commie or Hippie, or other far worse empty terms.